I can't seem to get enough of trying new IPTV services... I started slow... then the last couple of months... I keep trying new ones...

I started with a firestick... graduated to an Nvidia Shield. 16gb version.. added a 2TB hard drive... I run an ethernet cable (No wifi)... I test daily between 250-300 mbps...

These are currently what I am using.. From what works best for me... to what barely gets used...

1. Ology - 1 connecton.. Very little buffering, decent quality (Most of the sports I watch are in 60fps) hit and miss on the other channels.. At different times of the day they are 30 to 60 fps, good channel selection, guide is a little rough though..

2. Beast- 3 connections.. Quality for sports is very good (in my opinion and with my setup of course) a little bit more buffering then Ology.. but it seems to buffer less using Progtv... Guide is HORRIBLE!! MLB , NBA and PPV you have to scroll through all the sections channels to find your game.. almost gave up on it..

3. NITRO - 2 connections.. Lots of channels, hit and miss on quality... guide is just below ok... but could be better... Little buffering... split screen is great when watching 2 sporting events... but during split screen it tends to buffer.. This may have been higher on the list if my favorite channel to watch wasnt in SD... I have requested for them to see if they could get this channel in HD... They said they would... never happend... So I rarely use Nitro now.

4. Gears Reloaded - 1 connection.. To me... its the best and worst... Decent variety of channels, guide is the best....stability is the best.. What kills me is the quality of picture.. I have a 65" TV and I admit I sit way too close (small living room). But compared to other services.. it just is too pixelated... its made for a 40" TV. (Which I have in the bedroom and looks decent).. Even with all the positives... I only tend to watch it when the others buffer... and it annoys me the whole time.. I am guessing they have better stability because they are not pushing all channels to 60fps.. or it's a bitrate thing?? If the quality of picture was better.... it would be my #1

5. Vaders- 5 connections.. It is the buffer zone.. I like the layout.. Not a huge list of channels.. but most of the channels I watch are there. I like matchcenter.. easy to find games.. quality is so so.. I find 1 game to be good the next to be average.. guide is so so.. but the buffering just kills it for me...

6. Dark Media - 5 connections.. Hmmmm... layout looks good. Functionality isn't the best. No video playing while scrolling through channels.. video is good quality but it buffers too often... and channels come and go... way too much... half of my favorites are gone most days.. This is one that seems like it has a whole lot of potential... but all the effort is put into the wrong things..

Next month I'm sure I will try even more.. my goal.. Getting as close to cable as possible.. within reason. I get what iptv is... I am just enjoying the search..

Currently trying Proton IPTV for the next 3 days. Trial cost me $2.50 US. Using an NVidia Shield with a clean cache file and restart, directly connected to the net with Cat6, 60Mbps service. CP24 news and both Investigation Discovery channels are buffering constantly. I'm not impressed. I'll update in the next few days. I've tried with PIA VPN on and off. Same results so far. One more thing. I'm trying their "Electron" service.

EPIC STREAMS IPTV

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Previous IPTV Providers

| Vaders | Insight | MillenniumTV | IPGuys | TubeTV | ExcursionTV | LiteIPTV |

I've had Epic Streams for about 9 months and it's been good. Not great, good. Plenty of channels from many regions around the world. EPG Guide, Catch Up, and Movie & TV Shows On Demand. Organized their channels in groups very easy to navigate. Customer support is very fast. And the price is extremely reasonable. I mainly watch sports packages and for that, Epic Streams is flawless. As with most of their US/CAN channels, the games are crystal clear HD and no buffer. Very solid service.

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So why the score?

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1. CHANNEL ISSUE NEVER FIXED.

MTV, Paramount, Showtime Xtra and HBO East all have extremely bad audio lag. With multiple tickets opened, a resolution has never been met. Trying to watch Ridiculousness or Bar Rescue with the lag is a NO BUENO.

2. TV GUIDE ISSUE

As the above issue, there are just a couple of channels that the EPG is extremely off. I'm not talking 30 minutes, more like 10+ hours off.

3. PPV EVENTS

Any PPV Events like UFC fights, Boxing, Wrestling, etc are a hit or miss. So inviting 50 people over for a BBQ viewing party is a hard NO BUENO.

4. EAST COAST (AND BEYOND) CHANNELS

I live in California, so having a ton (20+) of East Coast or UK channels set as "US" channels is highly inconvenient. By the time the kids and I get home from school and work there is nothing worth watching on because it's being streamed from an East Coast or UK source but although grouped in the US category. I.E. We'll get home and Nickelodeon is now Nick at Nights showing King of Queens and The Office. Cartoon Network is now Adult Swim. And other channels are showing late night programming or infomercials. During the day, these channels are showing marathons of one show because the source is 2:00-3:00 AM.

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OVERALL: GOOD Stable Service. Recommend as great sports service and/or 2nd/Backup IPTV service

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Alriiiighht, so I was curious to see what all the fuss about Vaders was (so many people talking poorly about them but yet they are still so popular) so i decided to get a sub and BOY was that a mistake! I should have listened to the fuss, lol, because I literally could not get even 2 minutes of buffer-free streaming. I then switched over to my main provider on the same channel and no buffering at all so no it wasn't my internet connection. I then figured I would try them out agian about a week later as I had a full month sub thinking maybe they were just having a bad time the last time I tried them and lol, lo and behold, buffer buffer buffer... How does anyone stick with them? For god sakes stay away from them.

Stay away. Works once in a blue moon, never know when it will be working or will be continuously spinning and go "sorry cannot play the stream". Any stream!

All the emails have been answered with "it's working, it's your equipment". Funnily enough my backup connection works flawlessly all the time.

Tested in all possible combos and equipment (android box, phone, app, m3u). Can work for few hours then will simply stop .

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In short, don't waste your $ like I did.

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It looks like Simply tv is pulling the plug. Here's their message.

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"It's Truly a sad day as we "Simply TV" are shutting down. We appologize to all of our customers for this inconvience and any trouble caused. We will be issuing refunds as much as possible for recent transactions and time left on accounts. Thank you for being a customer and once again we appologize for this news."

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First off - VERY sorry that this is a long post, but you'll see why if you read it (and a HUGE "Thank You!!" if you do)

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I'm not new to IT (been in the profession for quite a few yrs), but am fairly new to IPTV, so I very humbly admit that I don't know every provider out there, but the one thing I always find with any praise/bash posts - it isn't that it isn't warranted at times, it's that you have to wade thru them to get the info you're sometimes really ONLY after, so...

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I fig'd it might be useful (IMHO) to try a post not for praising/bashing IPTV providers, but instead to get some benchmarks/standards (sort of like the IEEE/ANSI in the computer world) from users, so not the who likes or hates who, but just the pure technical experience, so...

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Just to get things going, as there's legal and 'illegal' IPTV, and everyone may want to include both, for this post I'll differentiate 'illegal' as 'i' IPTV (so iIPTV) from here on.

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With that said, IMHO here's the main benchmark/standards I've constantly seen repeated over and over in posts...

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1. You can use many different setups, and go thru many different providers/resellers - it's YOUR preference
2. iIPTV is NOT 100% stable no matter who/what you use
   1. To be honest (IMHO) if you're averaging 95% or better - you're doing well
3. iIPTV streams ARE dependent on your setup, and the repeated benchmarks/standards seem to be...
   1. A proper modem w separate router setup (so NOT a single modem+router combo unit)
   2. At least 50mbps package from whatever ISP you're with
   3. Using a LAN cable (if possible of course)
4. iIPTV posts constantly advise users to review/give these points before you post
   1. List your setup!!
   2. Confirm that you ARE getting the speeds you're paying for - especially during 'peak' hours
      1. i.e. .if you live in an area with only one ISP that everyone else uses, then you ARE going to have peak time brownout issues
   3. If you live somewhere where you can be penalized for using IPTV, then you should use a VPN (therefore...)
   4. A VPN does effect streaming speeds
   5. TRY LOTS OF PROVIDERS!!!

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I'm sure there's TONS more points, but what I'm attempting (trying) with this post is..

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No one user experience is the same, even IF you have a perfect home setup, have perfect speeds ALL the time, have a plethora of ISP's to choose from, only using LAN, or.. or.. or.., so having (at least some) benchmarks/standards defined might be viable (???)

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As an example, if a 'out of 10' scale was used (possibly including .5's), and with some basic FAIR rules, like...

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1. NO iIPTV (and/or IPTV if we want to include them) provider gets 10/10
   1. IPTV providers would only be at/go to a 9 (i.e. even NetFlix has had outages)
   2. iIPTV providers would ONLY be at/go to an 8 (maybe 8.5 at most, IF it's agreed upon)
2. Give location info, BUT (for privacy)...
   1. ONLY give general location/direction (S/W/SE/etc.) and country code (US/CAN/UK/etc.) info
   2. Maybe your city - IF everyone agrees
3. DO NOT post ANY reseller names, only specify if you use one
   1. Users should research them for themselves or go to the u/iptvresellers
4. NO shill posts

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From here, users then could request help/give a non-bashing report with some setup and provider info rules, like...

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1. List your setup (ISP, hardware, etc.)
   1. If you have a provider that allows more than one device, split them up, including if different locations (i.e your house, parents place, work, etc.)
2. How long you've been with/used a certain provider (again, split them up if more than one), AWA a Current time-frame for troubleshooting (so maybe...)
   1. FT for 'Full Term' (the time you've been with them)
   2. CT for 'Current Term' (the last 7days/1wk period)

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Using myself as an example, here's MHO of my provider (I only have 1 provider, and offers 3 devices, so I setup my GF's place)...

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Setup1

- Location: SW-CAN

- ISP Pkg: U75/D7.5

- Setup: ISP modem w separate Wi-Fi router (might want to include models??)

- HW: Fire TV Stick (non-4K)

- App: Provider apk

- VPN: No

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Provider1

- Host: Beast

- FT: 3mnths

- Reseller: No (just signed up with one for April)

FT Ratings

- Up Avg: 7.5

- Outage Avg: 2.5

CT Ratings:

- CT Up Avg: 7

- CT Outage Avg: 3.5

- CT Speed Test: U81.5/D8

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...then for some clarity - IF everyone agreed/wanted, you could expand further with the CT Ratings reasons, like...

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CT Issue(s): Heavy buffering during UFC fight / Low-mid buffering issues last 2 evenings

- Issue time(s): 5-6pm / 6-7pm PST

- Issue duration(s): First 30-45mins / Every 3-5mins

- Issue steps done: Rebooted modem, router, and cleared caches / Restarted app, cleared cache

- Results: No change, just waited it out / (same)

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Provider2: N/A (so for me, no point in listing additional fields)

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Setup2: (is gf's place, but w XBox One+Kodi, otherwise all the same, so for this example, won't list it)

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..., so now my 'report' is done

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Anyway, I'm sure there's tons of other ways to do this, but as I said, I just thought a true set of benchmarks/standards might be useful.

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This is just a very IPTV newbs 2 cents idea, so cheers and thanks for listening/reading

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EDIT: Cleaned it up a bit ;-)

I just thought I'd make this post as a heads up to anybody thinking of taking a Beast IPTV sub who is looking for UK catch up.

I signed up today via BeastIPTV.com (thankfully only a month) and was very disappointed to find that there was 1 UK catch up channel (BBC1) and 0 UK sports catch up. I thought maybe it was just a bit of downtime so contacted their support group.

After a few msgs and the Admins just chatting amongst themselves for a couple of hours, I was told that is how it is.

Also the EPG for UK was a mess.

I should have asked for a trial but seeing as they seem to be affiliated with Vaders I thought the content would be similar.

So just a heads up

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