IPTV Benchmarks/Standards vs. Praising/Bashing

by PhillyIdol

First off - VERY sorry that this is a long post, but you'll see why if you read it (and a HUGE "Thank You!!" if you do)

I'm not new to IT (been in the profession for quite a few yrs), but am fairly new to IPTV, so I very humbly admit that I don't know every provider out there, but the one thing I always find with any praise/bash posts - it isn't that it isn't warranted at times, it's that you have to wade thru them to get the info you're sometimes really ONLY after, so...

I fig'd it might be useful (IMHO) to try a post not for praising/bashing IPTV providers, but instead to get some benchmarks/standards (sort of like the IEEE/ANSI in the computer world) from users, so not the who likes or hates who, but just the pure technical experience, so...

Just to get things going, as there's legal and 'illegal' IPTV, and everyone may want to include both, for this post I'll differentiate 'illegal' as 'i' IPTV (so iIPTV) from here on.

With that said, IMHO here's the main benchmark/standards I've constantly seen repeated over and over in posts...

  1. You can use many different setups, and go thru many different providers/resellers - it's YOUR preference
  2. iIPTV is NOT 100% stable no matter who/what you use
    1. To be honest (IMHO) if you're averaging 95% or better - you're doing well
  3. iIPTV streams ARE dependent on your setup, and the repeated benchmarks/standards seem to be...
    1. A proper modem w separate router setup (so NOT a single modem+router combo unit)
    2. At least 50mbps package from whatever ISP you're with
    3. Using a LAN cable (if possible of course)
  4. iIPTV posts constantly advise users to review/give these points before you post
    1. List your setup!!
    2. Confirm that you ARE getting the speeds you're paying for - especially during 'peak' hours
      1. i.e. .if you live in an area with only one ISP that everyone else uses, then you ARE going to have peak time brownout issues
    3. If you live somewhere where you can be penalized for using IPTV, then you should use a VPN ( therefore ...)
    4. A VPN does effect streaming speeds
    5. TRY LOTS OF PROVIDERS!!!

I'm sure there's TONS more points, but what I'm attempting (trying) with this post is..

No one user experience is the same, even IF you have a perfect home setup, have perfect speeds ALL the time, have a plethora of ISP's to choose from, only using LAN, or.. or.. or.., so having (at least some) benchmarks/standards defined might be viable (???)

As an example, if a 'out of 10' scale was used (possibly including .5's), and with some basic FAIR rules, like...

  1. NO iIPTV (and/or IPTV if we want to include them) provider gets 10/10
    1. IPTV providers would only be at/go to a 9 (i.e. even NetFlix has had outages)
    2. iIPTV providers would ONLY be at/go to an 8 (maybe 8.5 at most, IF it's agreed upon)
  2. Give location info, BUT (for privacy)...
    1. ONLY give general location/direction (S/W/SE/etc.) and country code (US/CAN/UK/etc.) info
    2. Maybe your city - IF everyone agrees
  3. DO NOT post ANY reseller names, only specify if you use one
    1. Users should research them for themselves or go to the u/iptvresellers
  4. NO shill posts

From here, users then could request help/give a non-bashing report with some setup and provider info rules, like...

  1. List your setup (ISP, hardware, etc.)
    1. If you have a provider that allows more than one device, split them up, including if different locations (i.e your house, parents place, work, etc.)
  2. How long you've been with/used a certain provider (again, split them up if more than one), AWA a Current time-frame for troubleshooting (so maybe...)
    1. FT for 'Full Term' (the time you've been with them)
    2. CT for 'Current Term' (the last 7days/1wk period)

Using myself as an example, here's MHO of my provider (I only have 1 provider, and offers 3 devices, so I setup my GF's place)...

Setup1

- Location: SW-CAN

- ISP Pkg: U75/D7.5

- Setup: ISP modem w separate Wi-Fi router (might want to include models??)

- HW: Fire TV Stick (non-4K)

- App: Provider apk

- VPN: No

Provider1

- Host: Beast

- FT: 3mnths

- Reseller: No (just signed up with one for April)

FT Ratings

- Up Avg: 7.5

- Outage Avg: 2.5

CT Ratings:

- CT Up Avg: 7

- CT Outage Avg: 3.5

- CT Speed Test: U81.5/D8

...then for some clarity - IF everyone agreed/wanted, you could expand further with the CT Ratings reasons, like...

CT Issue(s): Heavy buffering during UFC fight / Low-mid buffering issues last 2 evenings

- Issue time(s): 5-6pm / 6-7pm PST

- Issue duration(s): First 30-45mins / Every 3-5mins

- Issue steps done: Rebooted modem, router, and cleared caches / Restarted app, cleared cache

- Results: No change, just waited it out / (same)

Provider2: N/A (so for me, no point in listing additional fields)

Setup2: (is gf's place, but w XBox One+Kodi, otherwise all the same, so for this example, won't list it)

..., so now my 'report' is done

Anyway, I'm sure there's tons of other ways to do this, but as I said, I just thought a true set of benchmarks/standards might be useful.

This is just a very IPTV newbs 2 cents idea, so cheers and thanks for listening/reading

EDIT: Cleaned it up a bit ;-)

nosar77

I was literally about to post this exact thing lol. More like a format that we can all follow when giving reviews or reporting problems.

starfishrimmer

Your / key must be totally/completely worn out/fucked

Skyscreamers

Cliff notes friend

tampa36

A few months ago I was getting a lot of buffering in the evenings with IPTV. So bad I couldn't watch it. I subscribe to 100/100 Mbps Fiber internet. I did a speed test when It started buffering, and I was surprised when I found out I was only getting between 10-60 Mbps around 5PM to 9PM. I am always doing speed tests. I called Frontier to upgrade to 200/200 Mbps internet, "that should fix it". I ditched the Frontier branded coax router and used my own Asus RT-ACRH13 router plugged in directly to the ONT via ethernet cable. After the tech left, it was working fine until that evening around 5pm. I only was getting 10-60 Mbps AGAIN. Long story short, first time they came back out, they just put me on a new set of cross-connects, that didn't work. They had to come back out again and do work to the hub. Something in the box out by the street. They said they had to rebuild the terminal, panel or something along those lines. Whatever they did, its perfect. Now I get 205/205 Mbps at any hour and my IPTV is back to normal. Any buffering I get is the result of my IPTV provider. A few seconds of buffering per evening I can handle. Don't rush to judgement and blame IPTV, until you make sure its not you.

digriz60

It sickens me people have to apologize for writing 'long posts.' Have people become so lazy and shiftless that anything over 144 characters is a tragic bore, and must be skipped?

You spent the time to write something detailed and comprehensive, never apologize for saying all that it is you need to say...

olivercer

Nice post mate.

My2c

Like you I am not new to IT but fairly new to iPTVs: I've had this service since only few months, and I have chosen it with a quick Google search. Very bad decision. It's just okay, but when big matches happens (I mainly watch football/soccer/whatveryoucallit) the stream can't hold it.
My ISP? FTTH 1Gbps D/200Mbit U, worst case scenario I get 800 Mbit down.

I am using a Xiaomi Mi Box that links WiFi at 200 Mbps so my connection is not the issue (and will never be ), but obviously I've tested with a PC and LAN cable.

I've tested many (small) providers and would like to understand if my experience is the same across the world (I'm from Europe).
What is the average bitrate you get out of your FullHD streams? Mine currently runs at about 550 KB/s, best I've seen with others is 800 KB/s.

Still, if this speed is sustained (and it's not) means that a 8 Mbit DSL line could hold such stream, accounting for audio as well... Or maybe it's just me dealing with small iPTV providers?

xblackdemonx

Thank you for this.

PhillyIdol

Just updating this post...

I'm branching out with providers with getting a few trials, so first off:

  • The Beast CT report is somewhat better, as they seem to have sorted out the server issues they were having, so...

CT Ratings:

- CT Up Avg: 7.5

- CT Outage Avg: 2.5

- CT Speed Test: U81.5/D8

CT Issue(s): Still some initial buffering during big sporting events, BUT - way less (like 70%), otherwise, basic common minor random buffering that all providers have

...secondly, tried a new provider (my base Setup1+2 are the same, except for tried the MyIPTV app for GF's setup w 2nd provider (just 'cuz' really) and worked gr8)...

Provider2

- Host: Tundra TV

- FT: 72hr trial (just signed up for 1mnth)

- Reseller: No

FT Ratings

- Up Avg: 7.5

- Outage Avg: 2

CT Ratings:

- CT Up Avg: 7.5

- CT Outage Avg: 2

- CT Speed Test: U82/D8

*CT Issue(s): Bit less (IMHO) than the common minor random buffering that most providers have

*Full disclosure: I'm only in my first few days of my sub (6 days), and have ONLY tried about 25-30% of the playlists (mostly US/CAN - some UK), so this is a very limited '2c' rating