US Sports Perfection #5 - NBA 2019 Edition

by aybesea

US SPORTS PERFECTION #5 - 10/22/2019

Am update if this review is HERE.

Updated 10/25

This is the fifth installment in my "US Sports Perfection" series of reviews. To remind everyone, my goal is NOT to have the cheapest set up. Rather, it is to be able to watch any and every US Sports or Premium event in 60fps FHD/HD when I choose to watch it. This could be NCAA Football, NFL Football, or NBA Basketball... but I want perfect feeds every time. Anyone who follows this sub knows that recent events have made this endeavor more problematic than ever. Many providers became roadkill in the recent IPTV implosion and those that remain are, in general, less consistent and reliable than they ever were. Now, more than ever, I need a collection of providers that between them ponies up a perfect feed every time without having to go through "heroic measures". Additionally, I want all of my US cable channels and premiums (for the wife mostly). And I would like a little catchup, particularly for MSNBC.

---- MY CURRENT PROVIDER MIX ----

In my last review, I had presented four providers that provided me with the coverage to achieve my stated goal. With the current instability in the IPTV world, it is very difficult to pin down any "rock solid providers". This means that for this edition, I have needed to expand the field in order to afford adequate coverage. This month finds two of the previous providers, along with several new providers. Here I present this months provider pool, ranked in order of importance to the mix:

  1. Jarvis (bought from u/Jarvis912) - Jarvis is a reseller of Primestreams. Great 60fps FHD/HD feeds of pretty much every US Sports network, regional and premium feed. These guys continue to impress me with some of the best pictures coupled with outstanding stability. They, along with Smoothstreams, were never down during the XC event. Jarvis occupies the top spot on this list because their streams have been rock solid. I've had 100% uptime and virtually no buffering. After a brief scare that they would be permanently retiring their m3u feeds, they are back. Very highly recommended.

  2. Hydrogen (bought from u/Jcast356) - they took a while to get things straightened out, but it appears that Hydrogen is becoming consistent again. Out of all of my providers, there is no doubt that Hydrogen (and Jarvis) have the best picture. While their offering isn't nearly as large (number of channels) as some of the competition, almost everything is in blazing 60fps FHD/HD with minimal compression artifacts. Their channel mix contains all of the major US sports channels that I need, but I wish that they could add the missing ESPN College Extra and Fox College Sports, for example. Channel surfing this monster is an absolute joy. Their EPG is coming back, as well... reasonably well populated and maintained, particularly for sports. Their latest apk adds the ability to display up to 4 streams simultaneously (NCAA Tourney, here we come!) Their catchup channels have been spotty since the event, but they are slowly rebuilding this. This service is a required component of my mix.

  3. Smoothstreams (bought directly - INVITATION ONLY) - this is the one service that didn't skip a beat during the disaster. They don't use XC and therefore didn't have any problems. SS provides HD/FHD 60fps streams of virtually every televised sports event. There epg is incredible, breaking down sports into their respective categories and providing a clear and concise view of the days matches. I only have two complaints about Smoothstreams... 1) they use a little too much compression sometimes which results in video artifacting that I don't find on the best provider streams, and 2) their necessity of the use of SmoothProxy in order to get an m3u stream causes problems in using 4 way multiscreen. Also, be aware that they are not a general purpose IPTV provider... the offerings are pretty much kept to sports. But even with these shortcomings, Smoothstreams has been the most consistent performer in my stable. An absolute necessity if you can come by an invite (and I don't have any to offer).

  4. Premium (bought from u/Jcast356) - Premium is a rebranding of Helix... a service that I've used for a very long time. Since the XC episode, they have been the most consistent, solid service not named Smoothstreams. The availability of multiple feeds for virtually every channel pretty much ensures that Premium has a HD/FHD stream of everything I'm looking for, although recently I have encountered too many 30fps feeds for my tastes. They have catchup on over 900 channels, though many of these have been inconsistent (or missing) as of late... but I have been reassured that they are working to rebuild this capability. By utilizing the rebranded "Premium" service I recieve many "extras" (all channels, adult, etc) for far less money than Helix charges directly. Also, you can use PayPal instead of BTC if you choose.

  5. Uproar (bought from u/IPTVGOD) - A new entrant to my provider pool, this little known service is a resell of Crystal Clear and has been very reliable as of late. They have most of the games that I am looking for in HD 60fps streams with little to no buffering. Unfortunately, like Smoothstreams, they employ a little too much video compression and it can result in some minor artifact problems. However, if you are just looking for a reliable provider with very good sports coverage and better than average video streams, this is a good addition to the mix and one that you should definitely consider. Also, this resold "Uproar" version comes with all of the channels and is a better price than buying directly from CC.

  6. Hive (bought from u/Jcast356) - Another mildly inconsistent performer, Hive is the old Vader platform replete with all of its warts. When they are good, they are very good. But they have definite issues with providing uniformly excellent feeds. Sometimes they are just missing games, and other times the games will cut in and out... but in general, there are feeds for most of the important matches and they are HD/FHD 60fps streams. Also, beware that I have had some issues using them with TiviMate (though they are perfect in iMPlayer).

---- HOW TO ASSEMBLE YOUR MIX ----

I am not suggesting that anyone needs all 6 of these providers, although the current situation is certainly far from being stable enough to rely upon one. I would approach it this way.

For those who have access to a Smoothstreams invite, SS plus Jarvis and Hydrogen is probably all that you would ever need. This should give you solid access to most everything at a fairly reasonable price (~$30).

For everyone else, I would suggest Jarvis, Hydrogen, Premium and at least 1 of the other services (Uproar and Hive). Cost will be a bit higher than last time, but the instability of the current IPTV world really dictates this if, like me, your goal is to have absolutely unfettered access to high quality US Sports.

---- PRICING ----

The current monthly price for these providers, depending upon term length and which of the above strategies you employ, is anywhere from $30-$50USD. I run them through TiViMate ($5USD/year), iMPlayer ($10USD one time) and OTT Navigator ($10USD one time). These are apps that I feel are easily the best IPTV players available anywhere. All feature catchup functionality. iMPlayer and OTTN feature multiscreen. You certainly don't need all three, but I like to keep up with everything IPTV.

Your pricing may vary depending upon term lengths, promotions, etc. For this outlay, I get everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) that I could possibly want out of "Live TV". This is certainly overkill for some of you, but it suits me very well.

I am not currently using XEEV (Xtream-Editor), since it takes some work to set up and I am currently in a huge state of flux finalizing my provider pool. I will probably return to using XEEV in a future edition of this newsletter.

---- NOTES ----

  1. People ask me why I use 4-6 providers instead of subscribing to mainstream services. The answer is simple, I cannot attain my objective of being able to watch any US Sports event by using nothing but mainstream providers. The need for ALL of the US Sports regional channels means that I need to use IPTV to provide the necessary exposure. After the XC event, I actually tried to find a way to watch using nothing but conventional streaming services... I was completely unsuccessful.

  2. I often see posts in this sub along the lines of "are resellers as reliable as providers?". The answer is that it entirely depends upon the reseller. I far prefer using an honest, reputable and dedicated reseller... but believe me... that's far from a given thing. As recent events have reinforced, many resellers are only in it for a quick cash hit, and they have absolutely no intention of doing any more work than they absolutely have to! All of the resellers that I've listed above have gone out of their way to "work with me" in ensuring that their product suits my needs. YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY!

  3. YOU CAN HELP ME. Look at my desirements above. Look at what I have. Look at who I've liked (and why). Look at the "Not For Me" list below. Have I missed someone who provides a unique or wildly solid service? Have I completely missed the mark with my synopsis reviews? Is there just someone else that I really, really need to check out? Please help me figure out who belongs in my provider mix above! I would really love some ideas. BUT... if you are going to suggest a provider, please be certain to tell me WHY THEY WOULD IMPROVE MY IPTV WATCHING EXPERIENCE as it relates to my stated objective above.

  4. A word about "trials". I really don't believe that a 24-48 hour trial does much of anything to help you evaluate their suitability or stability. Most of these trials aren't available for weekends or PPV events, making it very difficult to glean much useful data from the experience. In my opinion, you should do your research first (read reviews, gather channel lists, ask questions on Reddit), and then you should bite the bullet and subscribe for a full month. Take the time to integrate them into your watching environment (TiViMate favorites, iMPlayer multiscreen, etc). Live with them... and then (and only then), make your decision as to their suitability. If they are close, but not quite there... perhaps contact with the reseller or provider can get it sorted.

---- NOT FOR ME ----

Providers that have not worked out for me along with reasons why...

Eternal, Area51, TNT, GE - all cheap services that work, and in some cases offer reasonable stability... but the picture isn't good (terrible frame rates) to the point that they give me a headache.

Twisted - I had a bad experience with these guys. Your mileage may vary.

Beams, ResoluteD - After last time's writeup, I tried them again since so many people (who I really respect) speak highly of Beams/ResoluteD... but I remain unimpressed. It isn't cheap, doesn't have great USA channel selection and has mostly 30fps feeds... but it is stable. Not good enough to remain viable in my provider pool.

Gears, Epicstreams - These are high priced providers with terrible video quality. I don't understand the crack that y'all are smoking!

Nitro, Beast, Inferno, Dark Media - Expensive providers with great lineups that just lack in the stability department. I can't watch a solid hour without some sort of glitch.

CoolAsIce - A previous USSP constituent, they have just been way too unstable for me to keep them. If they get it together again, I will be more than happy to reevaluate them for future inclusion. 10/25 they now appear to be completely offline.

FAB, Flawless, ACE, Vader - R.I.P.

---- RESELLER NOTICE ----

A note to resellers/providers - I would absolutely love to evaluate your service... but please take the time to really read my post and then explain what makes your product a great fit for "US Sports Perfection". Please PM me with your details.

Added 10/23/19: Jarvis is back with m3u feeds!!! See the note in the provider mix

Added 10/25/19: removing Dark Media from the mix due to too many problems / too much downtime

manosteel9423

u/aybesea Well done my friend! Takes some real effort to put these types of posts together! I, for one, appreciate that effort and even though I have tried every service on your list/s (I know you are shocked! haha), I always tend to go back and try some again after reading your posts. In the past, you got me to look back at Helix and this time I just might go back and try Hydrogen again.

Thanks again for taking the time to go through it all. Most people that get into IPTV do it primarily for Sports, so this kind of post is surely highly appreciated. My ramblings tend to be more about an overall experience since I don't watch a lot of sports.

ScousePete

Thanks for your very comprehensive reviews. It was one of your previous reviews that helped me find a backup service (I already have SS also).

I reached out to both u/Jcast356 and u/IPTVGOD - one of them was helpful, the other one didn't reply. To the one that did reply I bought two subs; premium and bbtv.

aybesea

JARVIS IS BACK!!! They have announced that they will continue to support m3u streams... BABY!

LittleGuy825

Have you tried sportsaccess??? I’ve been using them and haven’t had issues baring only for a week but has been great and they have a really easy to navigate apk.

Skyscreamers

Great as always friend, recommendations are well thought out as usual. My aunts pest control specialist also combos SS and Premium together, it’s almost the best of both world. Pair them with the right application and it’s really nice so he says anyways. Little birds have been telling me that Jarvis and his service he sells for are seriously considering keeping the M3u option after the extreme backlash they have been receiving. I wouldn’t touch DM with a ten foot pole though, those two go back and forth and even if one is right and one is wrong the silver lining tells me it could go down at any moment

Tednacious

I really liked Hydrogen before the Xcodes mess and then couldn't even connect after so I just gave up on it. I just re-upped my subscription because in Aybesea I trust!

Altamont225

Smooth streams is awesome for sports! Had it for a couple years now and only had a few issues here and there. Have Jarvis as a backup and really liked it, but I’m just disappointed in the route they took. I enjoy havin 2 services on tivimate instead of goin back and forth. I renewed for 6 months before the debacle happened and I feel like I’m just gonna forget about it since I’m always using smooth streams and likely just gonna get another backup that I’m still able to put on tivimate. Thanks for posting! Always enjoy seeing what others like you use. And will likely try out hydrogen.

ecko22430

Epicstream is now back up great for sports the Vod section will be migrate later on.

bigginsiptv

Thank you very much for your thorough, detailed writeups. Writing up a post such as this must take a significant investment in time, and I very much appreciate your time. Further, I implicitly trust your recommendations. Sucks that Jarvis got rid of m3u, hopefully it comes back as the rumors have indicated. Thanks again, and I look forward to further updates.

enforcedmuscle

I followed Aybesea guidance during Sports Perfection Review #4 and it worked like a charm! Then all heck broke loose with the Xtream Codes deal. I’m gonna follow his revamped advice with the exception smooth streams. It should be noted guys Smooth Streams is a relatively difficult ecosystem to break into (which is a great thing). As stated in the OP’s post it’s invite only and those don’t come easy. I had the chance once but slow rolled my response so I missed out. Here’s to hoping they open up around thanksgiving like they did last year for us peons trying to get in. Follow their twitter and sub reddit for when/if they do open up (fingers crossed).

It should be noted that folks shouldn’t write Jarvis off yet. Yes the web player sucks and yes they initially said they were going to drop M3U but on their discord it appears after the push back they’re going to try and salvage the M3U deal so while it’s pretty bad now I think it’s worth revisiting then when they are back at 100%. Great mods and Jarvis is a nice dude trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sh** thanks to the XtremeCodes deal.

Keep up the great work OP, I look forward to the 6th installment!

saintlester

Have you tried BBTV? I keep hearing about BBTV and Premium.

mikalkhash

We have Prime. Pm for details

mjolbrekka

Thanks!

gjoe1974

i am going with Premium and Hydrogen. those two do it for me

j2225

I think CoolAsice is dead their website is offline and their streaming url is dead

Atrpm

Can anyone share the link to the Jarvis discord, thanks!

PMX_DchromE

Does anyone know what panel hydrogen uses?

gbeezy09

Hydrogen has fantastic quality, I’m subbing

dub_starr

Great Rundown! Thanks

fyi, Uproar is crystal clear resold

davo_nz
  1. their necessity of the use of SmoothProxy in order to get an m3u stream

You can also use YAP, which is a far better proxy for Smoothstreams. Both are entirely customer made. SS couldnt care less that they dont offer a M3U and I am fine with that, as with YAP and SP you can do it all. (except maybe multi screen but YAP may enable that)

McNuguid

DM'd you!

LittleGuy825

Well shit I guess I can strip trying to get a smooth streams invite, haha, thanks for clarifying that.

geezz79

Anyone know the hive url for api login or i have to use m3u

ecko22430

No you can only get sub form reseller PM me

AAAIIIYYYAAA

Damn, wish I can get a SS invite :( going to try out a few of these this month. Hoping Jarvis comes through with updates! Thanks!

mrmcc1

Thanks. I like reading your reviews, they’re spot on. Which service has the best catchup? Just looking for the N C, C S, F*X, etc, local channels. I already have SS which is great.

junioreality

Thanks for this write up. I normally judge how well an IPTV service is based on their sports section performance.

fuckudatsy

Where does one sign up for Jarvis?

lobosrul

Hi, since you seem to be someone who actually cares about video quality, and fps, can you tell me which providers have BT Sports, and Sky Sports in the best quality?

gbeezy09

Do you, or anyone, know the link to friendly buy hydrogen not from a reseller?

Rhoop206

Thank you for this comprehensive review! I’m new to the IPTV world and I’ve been hoping to find a guide like this to point me in the right direction of the best services and apps to use. Thanks again!

What are your thoughts on the http://iptv-epg.com service compared to Extreme Editor that’s “XEEV” right?) service? Is one better than the other? Or do they ultimately serve different purposes? Would you ever use both?

unusual_user_name

Is Premium IP locked? Looking at that and Hydrogen. The site I’m looking at says Hydrogen isn’t but it doesn’t specify with Premium.

AJ47-

I tried Hydrogen (I'm looking for a backup to Smoothstreams), and the quality was poor. I was watching the Clipper game and tried other channels and it was all fuzzy. Is it because I was on a trial account? I got my trial from nscloudsystems. Waiting to try Helix and Primestream to see if they're up to par with Smoothstreams.

ThereIsNoRoseability

Which of these ones provide Urdu/Pakistani channels? I'm assuming Premium does since it's a Helix reseller, any others?

Manny-L

Hydrogen is garbage bro. I tried to watch the Laker game today and all I got was a red screen saying it was offline. I put in a ticket and nobody responded in 3 hours. Oh well, on to the next.

xKMAN83x

Can anyone get me an invite to Smoothstreams or Jarvis?

JonDuke19

Too bad Jcast doesn't answer so I can't follow the recommendations.

jacobsonsboy

Thank you

Skeptical62

I'm surprised you like Hydr0gen, tried watching the rugby final and the picture quality was noticably cycling up and down along with visible artifacts. Audio out of sync on many channels, limited channels even more with ones not working, noticable frame rate issues and stuttering picture. Catchup very limited and of those many no content,

gjoe1974

So previously I had premium and hydrogen. I tried Primestreams and wow. So now I am rocking prime streams and premium. The reason I chose premium over hydrogen is because of 2 things: premium offers more backup channels than hydrogen and prime streams. Secondly, premium and prime streams have spectrum sportsnet, the Lakers official tv channel. None has matched primestreams combo of clarity and stability.

JonDuke19

If anyone wants to try PrimeStreams which is the same as Jarvis, I can give you trials.

Kiwiblogger

What an excellent review. Makes life easier and less confusing for a lot of people

rocketsbay

Last time I tried Jarvis/primestreams, they did not have catch-up, is this still the case? Thx

ccigas

When I first saw your post about a month ago I had gotten Hydrogen, easy enough to get into, took a little over 24 hours to get my account up but when it did... I had more issues. Still cant watch anything on it and the admin working on it barely gives updates. At least it was only 7 bucks. Wish I could find a way to try out smoothstreams

AdMMM

How do you manage these playlists?

Do you do any editing to cut out all the duplication or stuff you don't need?

I'm in a very similar boat to you, I'm striving for all sports and have 4 active subs that I'm managing through TiviMate to create some kind of easy-to-use view of it all. I'm just wondering if there's an easier or better way

rizmaxx69

A robust review of the various services. However, off the back of this, I subscribed to Primestreams and I also had an existing Nitro subs.

After having Nitro for almost 3 weeks now, and Primestreams for the last 24 hours, I have to say that I wholly disagree with the OP’s review and comparison of Nitro vs. Prime. I’m going to assume that they have no skin in the game and therefore, no bias to particular services. In summary, I have been significantly disappointed by Prime, so far.

Whilst Nitro doesn’t have a lot of channels currently working (mostly international ones), the ones that do work, work very well and are relativity buffer free. Channels like BeIn USA have been very consistent and most other US sports ones too. Their coverage of Super Sport is also very good.

In contrast, My experience of Primestreams, so far, hasn’t been good. Lots of key/popular sports channels are constantly down (US and UK) and there’s a lot of buffering. I will give it a few more days and then provide an updated review, epecifically after the 3pm EPL kick offs today.

I hope you guys will find these observations as useful.

ek2477

Are Jarvis and jcast still active as I’ve PM’d without response.

dirkellis

bro u r da man! I think most of the people of this subreddit rely on your reviews! keep it up!

torulatv